Wednesday, September 23, 2020

what happened to kris kremers & lisanne froon

you've heard the stories. watched the youtube videos. pondered the theories.

a) abduction and/or murder

b) human trafficking or organ theft

c) lost in the wilderness

i'm one to go with the most likely of scenarios. the two young women got lost. they could have followed a stream instead of sticking to the track looking for interesting waterfalls locals had talked about and given vague directions to.

i theorise that kris got injured some time after crossing the stream, most likely a badly twisted ankle or a bad fall, potential head injury (though doubtful she was bleeding much), and no more photos were taken because lisanne was helping kris walk and had no free hands. also it wouldn't be nice to take photos of an injured friend. maybe 509 was a pic of kris getting hurt and lisanne deleted it later on?

around 2 1/2 hours after the last images of kris crossing the stream were taken, the girls began making sporadic emergency calls, most likely due to kris being injured and needing help, or them being lost.

they likely wandered around trying to find a path home and couldn't. with each passing hour and day they got more and more lost and by now kris's injuries would be causing her all manner of grief. they would have felt frantic and disorientated.

a theory for them removing their bras is they felt too constrictive, they could have fallen into water and the bras chafed so they took them off. they could have been following a stream thinking this would lead them back to some place familiar.

who knows what they did during the night to cope. the darkness and unfamiliar noises would have been disconcerting and frightening. with each new day they hobbled along trying to make it back to civilisation.

by 5th april lisanne's phone died and by now we can assume kris is not in a good way. maybe she is delirious and incoherent or too weak to do much of anything. both have had little food and water for days. 

on the 6th april, it is assumed lisanne attempts to use kris's phone since whomever used it didn't know the pin code. could kris have even been deceased by this time or just incapacitated and non communicative? though i feel it's unlikely lisanne would have stayed beside kris's dead body for 2 days (6th the phone is used without a pin for the 1st time - 8th pic taken of kris's head, maybe deceased by this time, maybe not - it doesn't appear kris is lying down in the photo.)

they made it to the location where the night photos were taken. could they have arrived there on the 5th and decided to stay put hoping to be found? unlikely, or else why take all those disorientated night time photos. or, more likely, did they get there on the 8th, maybe late evening or night time and stay there taking photos to get their bearings?

it has been figured out that all of the night photos were taken at the same location. most likely near a water fall due to the presence of water droplets and what appears to be a drop off. this is where an sos was set up with ripped up paper and orange bags tied to a twig. hoping someone would fly over and spot them.

sources suggest the spot where the night photos were taken is cascada el sindigo en caldera, chiriqui, panama. according to one site sindigo waterfalls are in the gualaca region. i tried to find the falls on a map but it's not listed. typing in gualaca region shows the district is s.e. of boquete - which is no where near where kris and lisanne's remains were found.

this is a description to go by.

Near the road that leads to La Estrella Los Valles is this beautiful waterfall that runs between lava walls and wells that seem ceremonial ...

is the orange road what they're talking about? this road also leads to where remains were discovered. or do they mean the white road off to the right which is in an entirely different direction?







a still shot taken from sindigo falls show the potential night photo location.

on the left part of the image below you can see a unique hollowed out bolder to the right of the water fall (in fact there is a few of them).

in the image lisanne took of the bolder with orange bags on a twig (the right part of the image), the rock in the background appears to also be a hollowed out bolder. possibly the same bolder from a different angle.

it's plausible this could be the location the images were taken. though it's location in relation to where items/remains were found is unclear and/or maybe too far away/wrong direction?

it would seem lisanne was panicked or spooked and taking photos frantically that night. why that night and not any other time? were they near the waterfall edge and taking pics to get the gist of their surroundings so as not to fall off the edge?


Note: the rounded boulder similar to the one the stick with orange bags was on. 
Note: the flat area in front were the SOS could have been set up.
Note: the unique hollowed out rocks similar to the ones in the back ground of the image with the stick & orange bags.

the yellow circle above to the right notes the potential spot for the below photo.


above is an image from the night time photos


this (above) is an image from sindigo falls

above & below - still images from sindigo falls video




and here is the night time photo superimposed over the sindigo falls image. could this be the same location during different seasons, or is the image from further right (as seen in the yellow circle above)?

maybe the girls died at the night photo location or maybe they moved on the day after these images were taken, once it was daylight and they could see. 

maybe lisanne moved down stream for a further 3 days after the night photos were taken (the phone was last checked on the 11th) and kris did not. hence why different remains were found sporadically in different places and possibly why lisanne's bones still had some tissue attached while kris's did not (they didn't die at the same time or same place). this might also explain why lisanne's backpack was found further down stream and her bones had been exposed to some type of fertiliser and kris's had not.

either way i think they died of starvation and thirst and their bodies decomposed and washed down stream, getting battered and broken up by rocks (even though it's claimed rocks couldn't do this damage, i say it's plausible especially once bodies start to decompose and the body becomes brittle).

i think the photo of the 2 girls and 2 boys in hot spring is red herring. detectives said they found other photos of the 2 girls (who were in the spring with the boys) on the camera and they weren't lisanne and kris. if we go by mostly likely scenario the detectives are correct and the photo is unrelated.

there is the deleted 509 photo which supposedly could only be deleted via a computer. i have my doubts about that and think it could have just accidentally or deliberately been deleted by lisanne some time after she took the other photos. maybe she went back through the photos and deleted that one by accident?

another possibility about the missing photo is whomever found their backpack looked at the images on a computer and accidentally deleted the photo. later on they left the bag by the stream to be found because they hoped to get the reward money.

and that's my theory. occam's razor.

thoughts?